Did‭ ‘‬Casualty‭’ (‬BBC last Saturday‭) ‬inaccurately portray the guidance for‭ ‬999‭ ‬Paramedics in‭ ‘‬Ruby’s Story‭’‬,‭ ‬or did Casualty correctly highlight a serious problem‭?

mike stone 18/07/18 Dignity Champions forum

There was a story about the first day of Ruby,‭ ‬a newly-qualified‭ ‬999‭ ‬paramedic,‭ ‬in last Saturday’s episode of Casualty on BBC1.

I am trying to discuss part of the story with‭ ‬999‭ ‬paramedics,‭ ‬and I have been tweeting about the issue I’m interested in‭ – ‬for example‭;

https://twitter.com/MikeStone2_EoL/status/1018858719810121735

https://twitter.com/MikeStone2_EoL/status/1019505435030810630

https://twitter.com/MikeStone2_EoL/status/1019198980578832384

For a few weeks the episode can still be watched via the BBC’s website,‭ ‬but I have included all of the necessary details in the PDF attached to this post.

In essence,‭ ‬a couple of the‭ ‬999‭ ‬paramedics I discuss things with on‭ ‬Twitter,‭ ‬have suggested‭ [‬without having seen the TV show‭] ‬that it probably incorrectly represented the current guidance for‭ ‬999‭ ‬paramedics,‭ ‬and consequently that,‭ ‬to use my own words,‭ ‘‬in real-life Ruby wouldn’t have‭ ‬attempted CPR‭’‬.‭ ‬I’m not so sure‭ – ‬however,‭ ‬it is very difficult to actually find the CPR guidance and training for‭ ‬999‭ ‬paramedics,‭ ‬so if the current guidance and training would definitely mean that the Casualty story‭ ‘‬could never happen‭’ ‬then I would very much like to see that guidance and training.

So far as I can see,‭ ‬Ruby was certainly‭ ‘‬applying the wording of‭’ ‬the guidance/training for‭ ‬999‭ ‬paramedics as it existed a few years ago:‭ ‬since then,‭ ‬there has been a recognition of the problems with CPR at Home,‭ ‬but so far as I can see the emphasis has mainly been on improving the recording of DNACPR decisions.

The issue which Casualty raised‭ – ‬and I am interested because it is something I bang on about endlessly‭ – ‬is more subtle:‭ ‬Casualty effectively‭ ‘‬investigated‭’ ‬the difference between‭ ‘‬we shouldn’t attempt CPR‭ – ‬because I MYSELF KNOW that this patient has forbidden CPR‭’ ‬and‭ ‘‬I can see in front of me a‭ ‘‬DNACPR Document‭’ ‬and I MYSELF DO NOT KNOW THE PATIENT‭ ‘‬PERSONALLY‭’’‬.

So‭ – ‬if any‭ ‬999‭ ‬paramedics come across this,‭ ‬and/or did watch that episode of casualty:‭ ‬did Ruby‭ ‘‬breach the guidance for‭ ‬999‭ ‬paramedics‭’ ‬or not‭? Please point me/readers of this to any relevant openly-viewable guidance for 999 paramedics, which would make it clear that Ruby DEFINITELY acted incorrectly.

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mike stone 19/07/18

I have just posted the PDF in the form of screengrabs attached to a series of Tweets and you can find them at:

https://twitter.com/MikeStone2_EoL/status/1019871786165469185

I will be REALLY INTERESTED in any replies I receive from paramedics, which go into detail (include the actual guidance they have) and prove that 'in real-life Ruby would not have done that', if I get any such replies - at the moment, I'm not confident that I will get replies [but I hope I'm wrong].

mike stone 20/07/18

I'm getting some discussion of this on Twitter.

Jessica, a paramedic, contributed these rather interesting tweets:

https://twitter.com/jw_bagpuss/status/1019910113195446272

It sounds like this is a question of Ruby's inexperience and she is following the letter rather than the spirit of the policy. As has been said, Ruby needs supporting, not accusing of assault.

https://twitter.com/jw_bagpuss/status/1019913177360945152

If the colleague was a junior non paramedic grade - then ultimately, yes, you could tell someone to stop. Paramedics are professionally responsible for their own practice so you can't really order someone. Even as a senior clinician it is far better to discuss than order people.

I have just pointed out in response to those, that various 'medical groups' - notably the RC(UK) - persist in asserting that 'the senior clinician makes the decision':

https://twitter.com/MikeStone2_EoL/status/1020220653688033280

Mark Taubert, a palliative care consultant doctor, has I think stated the common-sense perspective on Ruby:

https://twitter.com/DrMarkTaubert/status/1020221168962457600

when she commenced CPR, she was alone, therefore the most senior person on site. If the other two were parking, they were off site.

https://twitter.com/DrMarkTaubert/status/1020222162513391616

if her senior then arrived and said 'stop, I have seen her DNACPR form' then she should have stopped, unless she had severe doubts about her seniors credibility

I have just tweeted a response to Mark's tweet a few minutes ago - I'll be interested to find out if paramedics agree with me or not:

https://twitter.com/MikeStone2_EoL/status/1020223986607841285

I agree with you. Now - do we all agree that if we change it to 'a clinician and a normal family-carer being present', that there is NO legal basis by which the clinician can order the family-carer to not attempt CPR? However senior the clinician is.